BRAKE SYSTEMS
- A while ago, somebody mentioned they were out shopping for
the B13 kit and was able to find a Nissan dealer to beat prices. It
was something like $400 for the works. Would that individual who got
this deal tell me where he got it from? I was unable to get prices to
go below $500.
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Cary (c...@vnet.ibm.com)
I purchased my B13 Kit from Brown & Brown Nissan in Tempe, AZ.
1-800-237-0003. They charged me $400 for the kit (AD22VF Calipers,
26mm vented rotors, and OE brake pads) and $138 for the non-abs master
cyclinder, that price is pretty cheap.
- What is included with the NISMO brake upgrade kit?
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Carson M. Hanrahan (s...@trader.com)
The B13 Brake Upgrade Kit, ordered from Nissan Motorsports in
California, includes upgraded front calipers, rotors, metallic
pads, and hardware kit for the calipers. Part #99996-B13BK. As far
as I'm aware, Nismo does not sell an upgrade which includes the
rear brakes.
Because of the larger calipers, a new Master Cylinder must also be
fitted. Nismo has these for ABS and non-ABS cars. Get the one
that's right for you. The difference is simply that the non-ABS MC
has the proportioning valve built into the MC, while the ABS one
has a seperate proportioning valve. Part #46010-69Y20 (non-ABS) and
#46010-60Y21 (ABS).
The rotors, calipers, and Master Cylinder are off of Nissan
NX2000's with ABS. I've been told they are also standard on
Japanese-built SE-Rs.
The rotors are about 4mm wider in diameter than stock and almost
10mm thicker. The calipers are accordingly larger than stock and
permit the use of pads with a larger surface area. The pads that
come with the kit are also slotted to permit venting of gas and
dust.
The kit *should* fit under the stock 14" wheels and requires the
removal of the front backing plates.
- What is involved in installing the NISMO brake upgrade kit?
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Donald J. Dale (d...@phoenix.princeton.edu)
See my instructions
on Jim Wright's Maintenance
Page.
Carson M. Hanrahan (s...@trader.com)
The Nismo package is a bolt-on application. Simply remove the stock
calipers, rotors and backing plates, then bolt on the new ones. The
MC is much the same, except remember to have your MC bench-bled
prior to installation to protect its delicate piston assembly and
remove all traces of air bubbles - they will come back to haunt you
if you're not careful.
However, I ran into a problem here. Once the parts were on, I tried
to torque down the stock wheels. When I did, they mashed up against
the now much wider calipers and the wheel wouldn't turn. Nismo
assured me they WOULD fit with the stock aluminum alloy wheels on
that car...
To make a long story nonexistant, a bottles of aspirin and phone
calls to Nismo later, it turns out that some SE-Rs have 5.5" wide
alloy wheels while others have 6" alloy wheels. It's a crap shoot
as to what you have - the VIN won't tell you, nor will the
manufacture date or location. It depends on Nissan's supplier and
stock was at the time your car was made. If you've got the stock
14x6" alloy wheels, you're OK on clearance.
But, if you've got the stock 14x5.5" alloy wheels like I've got,
you've got some grinding ahead of you. You'll have to grind about
1.5 to almost 2 mm off the outside of each caliper. No biggie, and
it's safe to do so (yes, even Nismo said so), it just takes some
time. The area of the caliper affected is non-functional in that
it's not carrying brake fluid or anything in internal channels and
the small amount to grind off doesn't adversely affect the
structural integrity of the caliper at all. You can leave out the
anti-rattle backing plates for the pads too if you want to minimize
your grinding. Don't forget to paint the calipers with high-temp
paint before re-installing. This will protect them from rust as
well as show you where and if the wheel still rubs.
Once the grinding is done, everything bolts together nicely - and
the newer, bigger calipers look pretty cool absolutely filling the
wheel cavity.
- What is the performance of the NISMO brake upgrade kit?
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Carson M. Hanrahan (s...@trader.com)
Let me give you an example. I had the brakes finished VERY late on
a Thursday night. Saturday and Sunday was spent on the track at
Putnam Park Roadcourse, in 95+ degree weather both days, with only
Friday's drive out to the track to bed in the pads and get used to
the brakes. The brakes performed like champs the entire weekend -
I would be on the track. driving hard, for 30 minutes or so at a
time. It's tough circuit too, almost 2 miles and 10 turns with a
quarter-mile straight. Very fast and, if you're driving it right,
heavy on the brakes in some corners with a light trail-braking or
left foot brakes through others. The brakes absolutely did not
fade, get mushy, or in any way degrade the entire
weekend. Fantastic!
- A very aggressive brake setup...
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Mike Kojima (m...@themall.net)
Some of the people on the list might be interested in my killer brake
upgrade. It uses 12" forged, cross-drilled Coleman Racing rotors on alloy
top hats, braided steel lines, motul fluid and 4-piston Willwood calipers.
It uses an Altima master cylinder and weighs 6 lbs per side less than
stock. These brake are unreal, impossible to fade with so much power it
feels like you will get pitched through the windshield! The stock 15-inch
200SX SE-R wheels will fit over these brakes but not smaller wheels. This
set up will cost around $1400 dollars and will be avalible through SMC
products (818)335-3763.
- About NX2000 brakes...
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Lawrence Weeks (d...@deskmedia.com)
I ordered new rotors and pads for my NX2000 (VIN JN1GB36...005290),
and hadn't gotten the parts. I called Brake Warehouse and it turns
out they forgot to call me back. They cannot find my rotors
anywhere. They say that the Japanese built NX2k have different,
larger rotors, and are rather rare.
I called around, and it turns out that I, like all Japanese built
NX2k, appear to already have the larger Nismo style brake
package. The U.S. rotors are 250x18mm, and the Japanese rotors are
257x26mm, and the calipers/pads are accordingly larger. So, I
presume that I also have the six inch rims. This is cool, as it
saves me the money I was planning on spending to upgrade the
brakes. However, it seems to make finding rotors more difficult.
Brown & Brown wants $61.27 per rotor, which is not terribly more
than the $48.00 Brake Warehouse wants.
- Concerning cross-drilled rotors...
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Frederick Braam (b...@mtu.edu)
I just read in the October 95 Road & Track that cross-drilled
rotors are not necessary for street driving. They don't help
ventalation that much and actually chew the pads quicker. Plus the
rotors wear quicker. Pretty much, stick with the Nismo upgrade.
If you need more than that, try the GRIP rotors.
Merlin Johnson (d...@connectnet.com)
Cross drilled rotors are good when your on the edge all the time,
like racing, they might give you that little bit of extra
cooling....after the rotors are really hot though. By cross
drilling for the street you are removing some of the precious metal
that can be used as the heat sink for lower temp braking. Cross
drilling can produce stress cracks, chamfering reduces this a
bit. They are mainly for looks on the street, but they do look
pretty cool. If I had gotten the warm fuzzies from other brake
manufacturers on cross drilled rotors I would have jumped all over
them long ago.
Ioannis Nanakis (i...@intranet.GR)
Cross-drilled rotors are also supposed to remove better the debris
and gases between pads and rotors that are produced during (hard)
braking. So they help the pads to be in full contact with the
rotors all the time. In theory they are supposed also to improve
braking action because the holes deglaze the pads.
Carson M. Hanrahan (s...@trader.com)
I *had* cross-drilled rotors, but stock size, on my `91 SE-R. Not
much difference at all in braking. But, upgrading to the Nismo
brakes, eventhough they're not cross-drilled, WHOA! *Big*
improvement. Even the reasonably heavy street driver won't need
cross-drilled rotors with the Nismo upgrade.
- What does slotting buy you over cross drilled or normal
rotors?
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Merlin Johnson (d...@connectnet.com)
Slotting is really the best way to try and add extra venting to the
rotors. The slots are made in an arc that goes from center to
outside, gas can escape easier because there is a tendancy to
"throw" it out from centrifical force. It's a small difference,
probably not noticable unless you are constantly on the edge (you
get your rotors red hot).
- What type of brake pads should I buy?
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David Alexis Pertuz (g...@prism.gatech.edu)
Repco (now Axxis) Metalmasters. They are $45/front and $35/rear
fron Strano's. If you're not that picky you could get the OE pads,
but the Repcos are hardly more expensive (if at all), and I'd get
them anyway.
- What's the word on which stock rims will fit over the brake upgrade
kit?
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Donald J. Dale (d...@phoenix.princeton.edu)
The rims that came on the NX2K are 14x6. They'll fit the AD22VF
calipers. The rims that came on the Sentra are 14x5.5 (except for
a rumor or anomaly here & there). These rims will *not* fit over
the bigger brakes. What you have to do is grind down the outer
surface of the caliper by about 2 mm. Then paint the fresh surface
to inhibit rust.
The SE-R FAQ
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